Condemnation - Is the Lord seeking another people?
The Prophet Joseph Smith said, "... for if Zion will not purify herself, so as to be approved of in all things, in His sight, He will seek another people; (DHC 1:316, TPJS, p. 18)
The following condemnation was pronounced upon the church in 1831:
D&C 84:54-59 - "And your minds in times past have been darkened because of unbelief, and because you have treated lightly the things you have received - - which vanity and unbelief have brought the whole church under condemnation. And this condemnation resteth upon the children of Zion, even all. And they shall remain under this condemnation until they repent and remember the new covenant, even the Book of Mormon and the former commandments which I have given them, not only to say, but to do according to that which I have written - - that they may bring forth fruit meet for their Father's kingdom; otherwise there remaineth a scourge and judgment to be poured out upon the children of Zion."
In a solemn assembly at general conference April 6, 1986, President Ezra Taft Benson was sustained by Church members as the prophet, seer, and revelator, and President of the Church. In his concluding address of the conference, President Benson said, “…the Lord has revealed the need to reemphasize the Book of Mormon to get the Church and all the children of Zion out from under condemnation—the scourge and judgment" (Ensign 16 [May 1986]:7-8;. To that end, his address "The Book of Mormon Is the Word of God" was repeated in regional conferences throughout the Church.
So according to president Benson, after one hundred fifty-five years, the church continued to remain under condemnation for failure to take the scriptures seriously!
On 6 June 1993, Dallin H. Oaks, a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints when this fireside address, "Another Testament of Jesus Christ" was given at Brigham Young University. In his remarks he said,
“Along with other General Authorities, I have a clear recollection of the General Authority temple meeting on March 5, 1987. For a year President Benson had been stressing the reading of the Book of Mormon. Repeatedly he had quoted these verses from the Doctrine and Covenants, including the Lord's statement that the Saints' conduct had "brought the whole church under condemnation" (D&C 84:55).”
“In that temple meeting, President Benson reread those statements and declared, "This condemnation has not been lifted, nor will it be until we repent" (remarks by President Ezra Taft Benson, General Authority Temple Meeting, Thursday, 5 March 1987). He also repeated his declaration of a year earlier that, in our day, the Lord has inspired his servant to reemphasize the Book of Mormon to get the Church out from under condemnation”
“To understand why President Benson has exhorted us to reemphasize the Book of Mormon and why this is necessary to remove us from condemnation, we need to remember the major theme of that book…I will give you my clear impressions of why he has pleaded with us to repent of our neglect of the Book of Mormon…I believe it is the neglect of this subject that has continued the condemnation in our own day.”
“This is the new covenant, as explained in the Book of Mormon. May we follow the commandment to give diligent heed to these words of eternal life; may we follow our prophet's challenge to remove the condemnation that comes from treating this new covenant lightly; may we be true to our sacred responsibilities, I pray, even as I testify to the truth of these things, in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.”
So according to Elder Oaks, after one hundred sixty-two years, the church continued to remain under condemnation!
On December 31, 2003 Jack R. Christianson, director, Orem Institute of Religion published “Why We Need the Book of Mormon" , which is excerpted from Life Lessons from the Book of Mormon, in which he quoted a number of General Authorities and Book of Mormon scriptures that referred to this same condemnation. Among many references to it are: ‘As President Benson has suggested, "We must flood the earth with the Book of Mormon--and get out from under God's condemnation for having treated it lightly.", and then quoting Robert Millet, former dean of the College of Religious Instruction at Brigham Young University, said this of the condemnation we are under:
“In a broader sense, I believe the condemnation that rests upon the Latter-day Saints is a loss of spiritual power, a loss of blessings, a loss of perspective about eternal possibilities. Perhaps we have not enjoyed the revelations, the divine direction, the sweet promptings of the Spirit, that might have been ours. We have not been the recipients of the fruit of the Spirit--"love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance" (Galatians 5:22-23)--as we could have been. Surely we have not enjoyed the understanding, the light and truth, the lens of pure intelligence, that is so readily accessible. In too many cases our minds and hearts have not been shaped and prepared by the Book of Mormon, by its lessons and logic, testimony and transforming power, and thus too often the judgment and discernment so essential to perceiving the false doctrines of the world, and even the irrelevant, have not been as strong as they might have been. Because we have not immersed and washed ourselves in those living waters that flow from the Book of Mormon, we have not enjoyed faith like the ancients, that faith which strengthens resolve and provides courage and peace in a time of unrest. So much of the stress and fear and apprehension and exhaustion that now exist in society is so very unnecessary; ours could be the right to that lifting and liberating Spirit that produces hope and peace and rest. Though the light of the fulness of the everlasting gospel has begun to break forth into a world of darkness (see D&C 45:28), yet too often we walk in darkness at noonday, or at least we traverse the path of life in twilight when we might bask in the bright light of the Son.” (The Power of the Word: Saving Doctrines from the Book of Mormon, p. 303)
So according to Elder Christianson, after one hundred seventy-two years, the church continued to remain under condemnation!
Is there any doubt that the church remains under that same condemnation, even today?
With that fact in mind, I would point out to you that in August of 1831, the Lord warned the church, saying, “Wherefore, let the church repent of their sins, and I, the Lord, will own them; otherwise they shall be cut off.” (D&C 63:63). As anyone can see the church is still under condemnation and has NOT repented after one hundred seventy-eight years [2009], and true to the warning of the Lord, it has been CUT OFF from the blessings listed above by Dr. Millet, if not much more.
Thursday, October 29, 2009
What Does the Bible Really Tell us About Who is God?
Consider the importance of having true knowledge of God:
Our Saviour taught, "And this is Life Eternal, that they might know Thee the Only True God, and Jesus Christ, Whom Thou hast sent" (John 17:3). Doesn’t this mean that our very salvation depends upon having an accurate understanding about the Father and the Son?
But the Bible teaches some things about them that traditional Christians ignore and few people ever consider or understand. Consider for example the words of Christ to the Jews on a certain occasion when they wanted to kill him for claiming equality with God: Then answered Jesus and said unto them, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.” (John 5:19-20)
It is clear to me that the Saviour is saying here, that everything that He has done on earth was previously done by His Father, who is our Father in Heaven, and was shown to him. And that means that his Father (our Heavenly Father) once lived on some world as a mortal man, in the same way that our Saviour was now doing on earth, and that God had previously done all the things and even had to suffer and die like our Saviour would soon do, because Christ said He didn't do anything and couldn’t do anything that His Father had not already done.
We also need to realize that, as Paul taught, the Saviour was once an unperfected man, and had to go through suffering to learn obedience (just like any mortal man). "Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;" (Hebrews 5:8)
In conclusion, the Bible teaches that if we are to have ‘life eternal’ we must arrive at an accurate understanding that God (the Father), even as His Son (our Saviour) was once a man and in many ways he was like other men. This also means that if Christ has a father (God), then God must have a father as well (a higher God). These things might seem shocking to those of traditional Christian beliefs, but though we may only worship one God, the universe contains billions of galaxies and there is room for many more gods. If you take into consideration the concepts taught in many other biblical scriptures, you will see that these concepts are perfectly consistent with the overall themes found in the Bible
For example you might ask yourself, “If God the Father and God the Son both began as mortal men, what does that say about other mortal men? Can we become gods also?” The following scriptures show us that the Bible teaches in many places that we can become Gods, like our Heavenly Father and our Saviour:
1] The Saviour Himself commands us to become perfect, as our Father in Heaven is perfect “Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.”
(Matt. 5:48).
2] We are promised in the Bible that we can become filled with "all the fullness of God" through the grace of Christ. . “And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.” (Ephesians 3:19).
3] Christ said that we can become one with Him, as He is one with the Father. “Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory whic.h thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.” (John 17:20-23).
4] Paul taught that all of mankind are the literal offspring of God, “For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.” (Acts 17:28-29).
5] Paul also said that the Spirit testifies that we are children of God and we can become "joint heirs with Christ" and be glorified with Him. “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.” (Romans 8:14-17).
6] Paul challenged us to think in the same way as Christ who thought it was correct to want to be equal with God. "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God (Philippian 2:5,6).
7] Peter also taught that through Christ, we can become godly and receive great and precious promises by which we can put on the divine nature. “According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. (2 Peter 1:3-4).
8] John said those who follow Christ can become like Him. “Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.” (1 John 3:2),
9] John writes that God said we can inherit all the things of God – “He that overcometh shall inhert all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.” (Rev. 21:7)
10] He also says we will become kings and priests to God “And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.” (Rev. 1:6)
11] And he writes that Christ says we can sit in the very throne of Christ as he sits in the throne of God. “To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. (Rev. 3:21).
So how does modern Christianity explain away such scriptures? They mainly do so by relying on their traditional beliefs and by ignoring the message conveyed by taking all the scriptures into consideration together. But if they are to have a hope for ‘life etetnal’ they must come to know the true God, and they cannot afford to ignore any of the scriptures.
These scriptures disclose an important aspect of the very beliefs also held by early Christianity, the doctrine of "theosis," holding that man can become like God
The Early Christians also understood that men were to become Gods:
1] Saint Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyons, (bet.115 and 200 AD) wrote, "Do we cast blame on him [God] because we were not made gods from the beginning, but were at first created merely as men, and then later as gods? Although God has adopted this course out of his pure benevolence, that no one may charge him with discrimination or stinginess, he declares, "I have said, ye are gods; and all of you are sons of the Most High." ... For it was necessary at first that nature be exhibited, then after that what was mortal would be conquered and swallowed up in immortality." Irenaeus, Against Heresies,4.38. Cp. 4.11 (2): "But man receives progression and increase towards God. For God is always the same, so also man, when found in God, shall always progress toward God."
2] Saint Clement of Alexandria (bet. 115 -215 AD) wrote, "Yea, I say, the Word of God became a man so that you might learn from a man how to become a god." [Clement of Alexandria, Exhortation to the Greeks, 1.] and also;
"if one knows himself, he will know God, and knowing God will become like God.... His is beauty, true beauty, for it is God, and that man becomes a god, since God wills it. So Heraclitus was right when he said, 'Men are gods, and gods are men.'" [Clement of Alexandria, The Instructor, 3.1 See also Clement, Stromateis, 23.]
3] Saint Justin Martyr (about 100-165 AD) insisted that in the beginning men were 'made like God, free from suffering and ," and that they are thus deemed worthy of becoming gods and of having power to become sons of the highest." [Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, 124.]
The Mormon prophet, Joseph Smith also taught that God, our Heavenly Father, was once a mortal man [and our Heavenly Mother was once a mortal woman]. But this teaching of the Restored Gospel is now apparently being minimized by the current Church leaders, perhaps in order to gain greater acceptance among traditional Christians!
Compare:
Original Teaching -
1] Joseph Smith ("King Follett Discourse," Journal of Discourses 6:3-4, also in Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 342-345): "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret... It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God and to know...that he was once a man like us.... Here, then, is eternal life - to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves,... the same as all Gods have done before you..."
2] Brigham Young (Journal of Discourses 7:333): "He [God] is our Father - the Father of our spirits, and was once a man in mortal flesh as we are, and is now an exalted being."
3] Brigham Young (Journal of Discourses 3:93): "The Lord created you and me for the purpose of becoming Gods like himself."
4] Milton R. Hunter (The Gospel Through the Ages, p 104): "Mormon prophets have continuously taught the sublime truth that God the Eternal Father was once a mortal man who passed through a school of earth life similar that through which we are now passing. He became God - an exalted being - through obedience to the same eternal Gospel truths that we are given opportunity today to obey."
5] Bruce R. McConkie (Mormon Doctrine, 1966 ed p 250): "...God...is a personal Being, a holy and exalted man..."
6] Joseph Fielding Smith (Doctrines of Salvation 1:10, 1954, cited from 21st printing 1975): "God is an exalted man. Some people are trouble over the statements of the Prophet Joseph Smith ... that our Father in heaven at one time passed through a life and and is an exalted man..."
7] Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Brigham Young (published by the church as an official lesson manual 1997 [text "approved 10/95"], p. 29): "President Brigham Young taught ... that God the Father was once a man on another planet who 'passed the ordeals we are now passing through...'"
Current Teaching -
1] Gordon B. Hinckley being interviewed by Don Lattin (religion editor, San Francisco Chronicle, April 13, 1997, p 3/Z1)
Q: There are some significant differences in your beliefs [and other Christian churches]. For instance, don't Mormons believe that God was once a man?
Hinckley: I wouldn't say that. There was a little couplet coined, "As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become." Now that's more of a couplet than anything else. That gets into some pretty deep theology that we don't know very much about. [emphasis added]
Q: So you're saying the church is still struggling to understand this?
Hinckley: Well, as God is, man may become. We believe in eternal progression. Very strongly. We believe that the glory of God is intelligence and whatever principle of intelligence we attain unto in this life, it will rise with us in the Resurrection. ...that's one thing that's different. Modern revelation. We believe all that God has revealed, all that he does now reveal, we believe he has yet to reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
2] Gordon B. Hinckley, as quoted in Time Magazine, Aug 4, 1997:
"On whether his church still holds that God the Father was once a man, [Hinckley] sounded uncertain, `I don't know that we teach it. I don't know that we emphasize it... I understand the philosophical background behind it, but I don't know a lot about it, and I don't think others know a lot about it.'" [emphasis added]
3] A spokesman for Hinckley, when questioned about the accuracy of the Time quotation, asserted that Hinckley's words were taken out of context, and that Hinckley was thus misquoted. The Time reporter, however, has made available the pertinent part of the transcript of his interview with Hinckley. Here is the relevant excerpt from President Hinckley's interview with Time:
Q: Just another related question that comes up is the statements in the King Follett discourse by the Prophet.
Hinckley: Yeah
Q: ... about that, God the Father was once a man as we were. This is something that Christian writers are always addressing. Is this the teaching of the church today, that God the Father was once a man like we are?
Hinckley: I don't know that we teach it. I don't know that we emphasize it. I haven't heard it discussed for a long time in public discourse. I don't know. I don't know all the circumstances under which that statement was made. I understand the philosophical background behind it. But I don't know a lot about it and I don't know that others know a lot about it. [emphasis added]
In consideration of the words of our Saviour, "And this is Life Eternal, that they might know Thee the Only True God, and Jesus Christ, Whom Thou hast sent" (John 17:3). there seems to be serious inconsistencies in a religion where the founding prophet, JOSEPH SMITH, JR. taught: "It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God and to know... that he was once a man like us..." and the current leader ‘prophet’, GORDON B. HINCKLEY teaches: [Q. Was God once a man?] "I don't know. ... I wouldn't say that... I don't know that we teach it... We don't know very much about [that]... I don't know a lot about it"
Our Saviour taught, "And this is Life Eternal, that they might know Thee the Only True God, and Jesus Christ, Whom Thou hast sent" (John 17:3). Doesn’t this mean that our very salvation depends upon having an accurate understanding about the Father and the Son?
But the Bible teaches some things about them that traditional Christians ignore and few people ever consider or understand. Consider for example the words of Christ to the Jews on a certain occasion when they wanted to kill him for claiming equality with God: Then answered Jesus and said unto them, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.” (John 5:19-20)
It is clear to me that the Saviour is saying here, that everything that He has done on earth was previously done by His Father, who is our Father in Heaven, and was shown to him. And that means that his Father (our Heavenly Father) once lived on some world as a mortal man, in the same way that our Saviour was now doing on earth, and that God had previously done all the things and even had to suffer and die like our Saviour would soon do, because Christ said He didn't do anything and couldn’t do anything that His Father had not already done.
We also need to realize that, as Paul taught, the Saviour was once an unperfected man, and had to go through suffering to learn obedience (just like any mortal man). "Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;" (Hebrews 5:8)
In conclusion, the Bible teaches that if we are to have ‘life eternal’ we must arrive at an accurate understanding that God (the Father), even as His Son (our Saviour) was once a man and in many ways he was like other men. This also means that if Christ has a father (God), then God must have a father as well (a higher God). These things might seem shocking to those of traditional Christian beliefs, but though we may only worship one God, the universe contains billions of galaxies and there is room for many more gods. If you take into consideration the concepts taught in many other biblical scriptures, you will see that these concepts are perfectly consistent with the overall themes found in the Bible
For example you might ask yourself, “If God the Father and God the Son both began as mortal men, what does that say about other mortal men? Can we become gods also?” The following scriptures show us that the Bible teaches in many places that we can become Gods, like our Heavenly Father and our Saviour:
1] The Saviour Himself commands us to become perfect, as our Father in Heaven is perfect “Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.”
(Matt. 5:48).
2] We are promised in the Bible that we can become filled with "all the fullness of God" through the grace of Christ. . “And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.” (Ephesians 3:19).
3] Christ said that we can become one with Him, as He is one with the Father. “Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory whic.h thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.” (John 17:20-23).
4] Paul taught that all of mankind are the literal offspring of God, “For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.” (Acts 17:28-29).
5] Paul also said that the Spirit testifies that we are children of God and we can become "joint heirs with Christ" and be glorified with Him. “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.” (Romans 8:14-17).
6] Paul challenged us to think in the same way as Christ who thought it was correct to want to be equal with God. "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God (Philippian 2:5,6).
7] Peter also taught that through Christ, we can become godly and receive great and precious promises by which we can put on the divine nature. “According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. (2 Peter 1:3-4).
8] John said those who follow Christ can become like Him. “Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.” (1 John 3:2),
9] John writes that God said we can inherit all the things of God – “He that overcometh shall inhert all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.” (Rev. 21:7)
10] He also says we will become kings and priests to God “And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.” (Rev. 1:6)
11] And he writes that Christ says we can sit in the very throne of Christ as he sits in the throne of God. “To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. (Rev. 3:21).
So how does modern Christianity explain away such scriptures? They mainly do so by relying on their traditional beliefs and by ignoring the message conveyed by taking all the scriptures into consideration together. But if they are to have a hope for ‘life etetnal’ they must come to know the true God, and they cannot afford to ignore any of the scriptures.
These scriptures disclose an important aspect of the very beliefs also held by early Christianity, the doctrine of "theosis," holding that man can become like God
The Early Christians also understood that men were to become Gods:
1] Saint Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyons, (bet.115 and 200 AD) wrote, "Do we cast blame on him [God] because we were not made gods from the beginning, but were at first created merely as men, and then later as gods? Although God has adopted this course out of his pure benevolence, that no one may charge him with discrimination or stinginess, he declares, "I have said, ye are gods; and all of you are sons of the Most High." ... For it was necessary at first that nature be exhibited, then after that what was mortal would be conquered and swallowed up in immortality." Irenaeus, Against Heresies,4.38. Cp. 4.11 (2): "But man receives progression and increase towards God. For God is always the same, so also man, when found in God, shall always progress toward God."
2] Saint Clement of Alexandria (bet. 115 -215 AD) wrote, "Yea, I say, the Word of God became a man so that you might learn from a man how to become a god." [Clement of Alexandria, Exhortation to the Greeks, 1.] and also;
"if one knows himself, he will know God, and knowing God will become like God.... His is beauty, true beauty, for it is God, and that man becomes a god, since God wills it. So Heraclitus was right when he said, 'Men are gods, and gods are men.'" [Clement of Alexandria, The Instructor, 3.1 See also Clement, Stromateis, 23.]
3] Saint Justin Martyr (about 100-165 AD) insisted that in the beginning men were 'made like God, free from suffering and ," and that they are thus deemed worthy of becoming gods and of having power to become sons of the highest." [Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, 124.]
The Mormon prophet, Joseph Smith also taught that God, our Heavenly Father, was once a mortal man [and our Heavenly Mother was once a mortal woman]. But this teaching of the Restored Gospel is now apparently being minimized by the current Church leaders, perhaps in order to gain greater acceptance among traditional Christians!
Compare:
Original Teaching -
1] Joseph Smith ("King Follett Discourse," Journal of Discourses 6:3-4, also in Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 342-345): "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret... It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God and to know...that he was once a man like us.... Here, then, is eternal life - to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves,... the same as all Gods have done before you..."
2] Brigham Young (Journal of Discourses 7:333): "He [God] is our Father - the Father of our spirits, and was once a man in mortal flesh as we are, and is now an exalted being."
3] Brigham Young (Journal of Discourses 3:93): "The Lord created you and me for the purpose of becoming Gods like himself."
4] Milton R. Hunter (The Gospel Through the Ages, p 104): "Mormon prophets have continuously taught the sublime truth that God the Eternal Father was once a mortal man who passed through a school of earth life similar that through which we are now passing. He became God - an exalted being - through obedience to the same eternal Gospel truths that we are given opportunity today to obey."
5] Bruce R. McConkie (Mormon Doctrine, 1966 ed p 250): "...God...is a personal Being, a holy and exalted man..."
6] Joseph Fielding Smith (Doctrines of Salvation 1:10, 1954, cited from 21st printing 1975): "God is an exalted man. Some people are trouble over the statements of the Prophet Joseph Smith ... that our Father in heaven at one time passed through a life and and is an exalted man..."
7] Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Brigham Young (published by the church as an official lesson manual 1997 [text "approved 10/95"], p. 29): "President Brigham Young taught ... that God the Father was once a man on another planet who 'passed the ordeals we are now passing through...'"
Current Teaching -
1] Gordon B. Hinckley being interviewed by Don Lattin (religion editor, San Francisco Chronicle, April 13, 1997, p 3/Z1)
Q: There are some significant differences in your beliefs [and other Christian churches]. For instance, don't Mormons believe that God was once a man?
Hinckley: I wouldn't say that. There was a little couplet coined, "As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become." Now that's more of a couplet than anything else. That gets into some pretty deep theology that we don't know very much about. [emphasis added]
Q: So you're saying the church is still struggling to understand this?
Hinckley: Well, as God is, man may become. We believe in eternal progression. Very strongly. We believe that the glory of God is intelligence and whatever principle of intelligence we attain unto in this life, it will rise with us in the Resurrection. ...that's one thing that's different. Modern revelation. We believe all that God has revealed, all that he does now reveal, we believe he has yet to reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
2] Gordon B. Hinckley, as quoted in Time Magazine, Aug 4, 1997:
"On whether his church still holds that God the Father was once a man, [Hinckley] sounded uncertain, `I don't know that we teach it. I don't know that we emphasize it... I understand the philosophical background behind it, but I don't know a lot about it, and I don't think others know a lot about it.'" [emphasis added]
3] A spokesman for Hinckley, when questioned about the accuracy of the Time quotation, asserted that Hinckley's words were taken out of context, and that Hinckley was thus misquoted. The Time reporter, however, has made available the pertinent part of the transcript of his interview with Hinckley. Here is the relevant excerpt from President Hinckley's interview with Time:
Q: Just another related question that comes up is the statements in the King Follett discourse by the Prophet.
Hinckley: Yeah
Q: ... about that, God the Father was once a man as we were. This is something that Christian writers are always addressing. Is this the teaching of the church today, that God the Father was once a man like we are?
Hinckley: I don't know that we teach it. I don't know that we emphasize it. I haven't heard it discussed for a long time in public discourse. I don't know. I don't know all the circumstances under which that statement was made. I understand the philosophical background behind it. But I don't know a lot about it and I don't know that others know a lot about it. [emphasis added]
In consideration of the words of our Saviour, "And this is Life Eternal, that they might know Thee the Only True God, and Jesus Christ, Whom Thou hast sent" (John 17:3). there seems to be serious inconsistencies in a religion where the founding prophet, JOSEPH SMITH, JR. taught: "It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God and to know... that he was once a man like us..." and the current leader ‘prophet’, GORDON B. HINCKLEY teaches: [Q. Was God once a man?] "I don't know. ... I wouldn't say that... I don't know that we teach it... We don't know very much about [that]... I don't know a lot about it"
Friday, August 28, 2009
I Fell In Love with Bonnie D.
Searching for Bonnie D. [My Life’s Inspiration]
I have written the following narrative to elucidate that womanly source of an influence, the memory of which has motivated me greatly over the last 50 years, and to extol and to honor a young lady and a family that have had such a decisive influence on my life as to provide aspirations that have propelled me forward and ultimately served to greatly define my character and my life as I have studied to achieve the knowledge and understanding that I share in this blog with all of mankind:
In 1954 I was a 10 year old boy growing up in Hollywood, California. After school I would sometimes attend a weekly church sponsored program for children. The boys attended classes separate from the girls, but there were also combined activities. On one festive occasion we were playing ‘musical chairs’ and I especially noticed a certain girl, perhaps I didn’t know why at the time, but later I came to believe it was due to the way her extraordinary sense of dignity and composure seemed to radiate about her. I did not realize until later the lifelong effect she was to have on me, even though at the time I didn’t even learn her name.
About that time they were preparing the children to present a program at the Sunday evening church services, and since I was the only boy in our ‘trail builder’ class that was cooperative with our teacher, she asked me to sing a song for the program, which I reluctantly agreed to do, as I had never done such a thing previously. Many years later I found a printed program that had been written for that particular evening’s activities which my mother had saved, and behold, there was the name of that girl! But first, let me explain how I was able to even find out who she was.
Apparently the boundaries for the several church organizations were changed, requiring some of the members to attend their group meetings at different times, or else I didn’t continue to attend regularly, I don’t remember, but I never saw the girl after that time. Our family eventually moved to St. Louis, Missouri due to my father’s work [he was an experimental test pilot], and about 2 years after that we moved to Cape Cod, but we always kept our home in the Hollywood Hills, always returning briefly between dad’s assignments, and in 1959 our family finally returned to stay.
On a certain Sunday, soon after our arrival our family attended that same church, and the leader was a very inspiring man named Ludwig T.Dethloff. He and his family were always a warm and lasting example of goodness and a source of inspiration to me. That day when it came time for the members to separate for classes, according to age and interests, I was directed to the room where my age group was assigned, and I went there to wait for class to begin. For a while I was the only one there, but soon a beautiful and enchanting young woman entered therein, and I was overcome and left weak by the effect that her presence had on me. Though perhaps I had always suspected it, it wasn’t until years later that I came to know that she was that same young woman that had been the little girl who had previously impressed me so greatly when I was a boy of 10..
Anyway, fortunately our family was no longer required to travel, so we continued to attend that same church, and I was able to see that young woman every week [I learned that her name was Bonnie], and her image of dignity, composure and spirituality never ceased to intensify in my mind. We both participated in a daily early-morning religion class, after which we attended the same school [John Marshall High School] and I would gradually prevail over the awe in which I held her, at least from time to time, and would try to speak to her, usually resulting in my appearing to be a blabbering imbecile, at least that was the way I felt, no fault of hers.
She seemed to occupy all of my waking thoughts throughout my remaining high school years and I was moved to learn everything I could about her, as she was a source of perpetual fascination . After almost 50 years I still remember her family address [4458 Maplewood] the license plate on her family’s cars [turquoise ’57 Chevy – UGJ2181] [white’60 Olds – UUW976] but my youth and inexperience seemed to leave me impaired when it came to establishing a meaningful relationship with her, and I never really even talked to her on the telephone except for a few times to ask her to go out with me.
Despite my seeming social disability, I was able to ask her out on a date from time to time, but I was too painfully shy and inexperienced to ever get close to her as I would have liked. On our first date I too her to a ‘beat nik’ place off of Hollywood Blvd (I think it was called the Lamplighter) where they played music and she drank a soda while I had a celery tonic. When we left, a funny dialog developed between us. The streets seemed rather empty, and as I didn’t drive yet, I said something like “I hope we can find a cab”, to which she replied, “I’m not worried because I have a brother-in-law who is a police officer”. Then I replied, “Then I have a date with a brother-in-law who is a police officer.”
Well, that didn’t make any sense to her and I failed to understand why, so I felt embarrassed and told her to forget it. In thinking about the problem, I later realized that the whole difficulty was tied up in the different way we were interpreting the word ‘date’. Apparently she was giving it the meaning similar to ‘meeting’ and thought I was saying “then I have a meeting with a brother-in-law who is a police officer”, which is a weird and irrelevant remark, under the circumstances. I could have cleared the whole thing up if I had said it like this, “then I have a date whose brother-in-law is a police officer”. That is just one example of why I had a tendency to keep my mouth shut!!!
On another occasion we went to see the movie ‘Spartacus’ at the Pantages Theater near Hollywood and Vine. That was an emotion-drenched picture starring some great actors, Kirk Douglas and Jean Simmons. Finally I asked her to my senior prom [I graduated before she did] and after the prom we went to an exclusive Japanese restaurant on the Sunset Strip, called Imperial Gardens. After we dined I took her home and I kissed her for the first and only time. But that kiss took me to euphoria, and for me was the kiss to last a lifetime.
I was working and saving my money and Bonnie soon graduated and went to college out of state and I should have gotten her address and written to her and told her how I felt, but I didn’t. Such a letter might have made all the difference in our lives, but perhaps it was not the time. While she was away at college I was sent to Mexico for 2 years and during the second year [1965] I received an announcement of her wedding. I don’t know who sent it or why they would have gone to the trouble to find my address in Mexico and have sent it there, as I really didn’t have much to do with her family or her, as I had not seen her for several years. But I have often wondered about that.
In fact, over the many years that I had not seen her, Bonnie continued to be always at the back of my thoughts as a perpetual font of inspiration to me, and I always had the unspoken conviction that she was somehow meant to be with me. However, when I got the wedding announcement I thought that was the end of that and I dismissed her from my mind, or so I thought. The truth is that my relationship with her has never ended, as over the years she has often haunted my dreams.
Sometimes I would be going places and looking for her and sometimes I would see her, but there always seemed to be obstacles between us, keeping us apart and I could never quite get close enough to talk to her. But then one day we found ourselves talking together at her house, and that was a major sign of progress for me, and I woke up feeling elated! But last night [August 28, 2009] I was with her again and I explained to her for the first time the entire history of my feelings for her and she put her arms around me and I awoke with the idea that I must create this blog about us called ‘Searching for Bonnie D.’ and if she is really meant to be for me then she will somehow find it and respond. Until then I’ll keep on waiting and dreaming, as I have done my entire life. After all, we have all of the eternities to resolve the matter, and eternity is what life is really about!
I have written the following narrative to elucidate that womanly source of an influence, the memory of which has motivated me greatly over the last 50 years, and to extol and to honor a young lady and a family that have had such a decisive influence on my life as to provide aspirations that have propelled me forward and ultimately served to greatly define my character and my life as I have studied to achieve the knowledge and understanding that I share in this blog with all of mankind:
In 1954 I was a 10 year old boy growing up in Hollywood, California. After school I would sometimes attend a weekly church sponsored program for children. The boys attended classes separate from the girls, but there were also combined activities. On one festive occasion we were playing ‘musical chairs’ and I especially noticed a certain girl, perhaps I didn’t know why at the time, but later I came to believe it was due to the way her extraordinary sense of dignity and composure seemed to radiate about her. I did not realize until later the lifelong effect she was to have on me, even though at the time I didn’t even learn her name.
About that time they were preparing the children to present a program at the Sunday evening church services, and since I was the only boy in our ‘trail builder’ class that was cooperative with our teacher, she asked me to sing a song for the program, which I reluctantly agreed to do, as I had never done such a thing previously. Many years later I found a printed program that had been written for that particular evening’s activities which my mother had saved, and behold, there was the name of that girl! But first, let me explain how I was able to even find out who she was.
Apparently the boundaries for the several church organizations were changed, requiring some of the members to attend their group meetings at different times, or else I didn’t continue to attend regularly, I don’t remember, but I never saw the girl after that time. Our family eventually moved to St. Louis, Missouri due to my father’s work [he was an experimental test pilot], and about 2 years after that we moved to Cape Cod, but we always kept our home in the Hollywood Hills, always returning briefly between dad’s assignments, and in 1959 our family finally returned to stay.
On a certain Sunday, soon after our arrival our family attended that same church, and the leader was a very inspiring man named Ludwig T.Dethloff. He and his family were always a warm and lasting example of goodness and a source of inspiration to me. That day when it came time for the members to separate for classes, according to age and interests, I was directed to the room where my age group was assigned, and I went there to wait for class to begin. For a while I was the only one there, but soon a beautiful and enchanting young woman entered therein, and I was overcome and left weak by the effect that her presence had on me. Though perhaps I had always suspected it, it wasn’t until years later that I came to know that she was that same young woman that had been the little girl who had previously impressed me so greatly when I was a boy of 10..
Anyway, fortunately our family was no longer required to travel, so we continued to attend that same church, and I was able to see that young woman every week [I learned that her name was Bonnie], and her image of dignity, composure and spirituality never ceased to intensify in my mind. We both participated in a daily early-morning religion class, after which we attended the same school [John Marshall High School] and I would gradually prevail over the awe in which I held her, at least from time to time, and would try to speak to her, usually resulting in my appearing to be a blabbering imbecile, at least that was the way I felt, no fault of hers.
She seemed to occupy all of my waking thoughts throughout my remaining high school years and I was moved to learn everything I could about her, as she was a source of perpetual fascination . After almost 50 years I still remember her family address [4458 Maplewood] the license plate on her family’s cars [turquoise ’57 Chevy – UGJ2181] [white’60 Olds – UUW976] but my youth and inexperience seemed to leave me impaired when it came to establishing a meaningful relationship with her, and I never really even talked to her on the telephone except for a few times to ask her to go out with me.
Despite my seeming social disability, I was able to ask her out on a date from time to time, but I was too painfully shy and inexperienced to ever get close to her as I would have liked. On our first date I too her to a ‘beat nik’ place off of Hollywood Blvd (I think it was called the Lamplighter) where they played music and she drank a soda while I had a celery tonic. When we left, a funny dialog developed between us. The streets seemed rather empty, and as I didn’t drive yet, I said something like “I hope we can find a cab”, to which she replied, “I’m not worried because I have a brother-in-law who is a police officer”. Then I replied, “Then I have a date with a brother-in-law who is a police officer.”
Well, that didn’t make any sense to her and I failed to understand why, so I felt embarrassed and told her to forget it. In thinking about the problem, I later realized that the whole difficulty was tied up in the different way we were interpreting the word ‘date’. Apparently she was giving it the meaning similar to ‘meeting’ and thought I was saying “then I have a meeting with a brother-in-law who is a police officer”, which is a weird and irrelevant remark, under the circumstances. I could have cleared the whole thing up if I had said it like this, “then I have a date whose brother-in-law is a police officer”. That is just one example of why I had a tendency to keep my mouth shut!!!
On another occasion we went to see the movie ‘Spartacus’ at the Pantages Theater near Hollywood and Vine. That was an emotion-drenched picture starring some great actors, Kirk Douglas and Jean Simmons. Finally I asked her to my senior prom [I graduated before she did] and after the prom we went to an exclusive Japanese restaurant on the Sunset Strip, called Imperial Gardens. After we dined I took her home and I kissed her for the first and only time. But that kiss took me to euphoria, and for me was the kiss to last a lifetime.
I was working and saving my money and Bonnie soon graduated and went to college out of state and I should have gotten her address and written to her and told her how I felt, but I didn’t. Such a letter might have made all the difference in our lives, but perhaps it was not the time. While she was away at college I was sent to Mexico for 2 years and during the second year [1965] I received an announcement of her wedding. I don’t know who sent it or why they would have gone to the trouble to find my address in Mexico and have sent it there, as I really didn’t have much to do with her family or her, as I had not seen her for several years. But I have often wondered about that.
In fact, over the many years that I had not seen her, Bonnie continued to be always at the back of my thoughts as a perpetual font of inspiration to me, and I always had the unspoken conviction that she was somehow meant to be with me. However, when I got the wedding announcement I thought that was the end of that and I dismissed her from my mind, or so I thought. The truth is that my relationship with her has never ended, as over the years she has often haunted my dreams.
Sometimes I would be going places and looking for her and sometimes I would see her, but there always seemed to be obstacles between us, keeping us apart and I could never quite get close enough to talk to her. But then one day we found ourselves talking together at her house, and that was a major sign of progress for me, and I woke up feeling elated! But last night [August 28, 2009] I was with her again and I explained to her for the first time the entire history of my feelings for her and she put her arms around me and I awoke with the idea that I must create this blog about us called ‘Searching for Bonnie D.’ and if she is really meant to be for me then she will somehow find it and respond. Until then I’ll keep on waiting and dreaming, as I have done my entire life. After all, we have all of the eternities to resolve the matter, and eternity is what life is really about!
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